Good advice Judy. Queen Be, most of the recipes in Bread Machine books are based on a basic recipe with seeds, grains , spices or fruit added. Sometimes also oil and/or egg, and extra sugar. Knead 4/6 minutes, double rise, and bake as Judy suggests. It is the liquid that is the variable, not the kneading time. Wholemeal, Rye and grain usually need a bit more liquid. Hope this helps.