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Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« on: September 04, 2009, 01:17:37 pm »
Hi
I'd like to make a nice ciabatta or artisan type bread for father's day.  Does anyone have one for TMX?
Can find plenty of recipes by Googling for breadmaker or handmade dough, some very fiddly.
TIA
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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2009, 01:36:35 pm »
There are plenty in Italian sites http://www.cookaround.com/yabbse1/blog.php?b=29998

I'll get something translated for you
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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2009, 02:50:38 pm »
Oooh can't wait for this!

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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2009, 10:53:49 pm »
Oohhhhhhh thanks!

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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2009, 11:18:01 pm »
hmmm i'm trying to find the 'artisan bread in 5 mins a day' recipe for you, hoping there's a blog somewhere with it ;)

in the meantime here their brioche http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com/?p=357

challah / boule recipe http://www.globalgourmet.com/food/cookbook/2009/artisan-bread/boule.html and with movie by authors http://carolslinker.com/?p=120

basic recipe with pics http://www.instructables.com/id/Artisan_Bread_in_Five_Minutes_a_Day/



« Last Edit: September 04, 2009, 11:21:41 pm by brazen20au »
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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2009, 12:03:49 am »
Thanks Karen.  I did find that and really should get on with doing it so that I can cook it today.  However the motivation is waning!  I did want to do it for DH for Father's Day to go with his bacon and eggs but he'll probably end up with normal bread lol.  I am too tired today.

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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2009, 12:29:45 am »
i know what you mean - i feel ok atm (painkillers have kicked in ;)) but i have to shop before i can cook and just the thought of it all is making me exhausted lol
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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2009, 01:15:52 am »
OK so I've started the basic recipe as posted by Brazen.  I did it in TMX but next time I'd do the water yeast etc in TMX and then stir by hand.  It's a very wet mix and so didn't work so well in TMX.  I did a half recipe as a test run and its currently sitting rising on the bench.

Tips from my reading
 - use weight measure instead of cups etc, I didn't use TMX but my normal digital scales as they are much more precise.
 - use plain flour and not bakers, strong flour etc
 
I'll take photo's at each step and post once it's cooked with a review.

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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2009, 02:18:23 am »
I have been making this bread for some time and have adapted it to make it easy. The fist part is the sponge just to mix in a bowl and leave overnight.  For the second part just put all the ingredients in the TMX mix for 5 sec on 7 and knead for 2 minutes. Put it into a well oiled bowl and let it rise before dividing the dough and plonking it  on baking paper on a tray. shape into loaves say 3 or 4 and leave to rise again before putting it in the oven as is. I don't bother fiddling with it and don't bother sifting the flour either. Seems to make no difference at all but I do spray it with water  a few times to make a crusty loaf.

   
Ciabatta Bread
Click here if you don’t see theTable of Contents

Makes 4 loaves

 This wonderful Italian bread is named after its ‘slipper’ shape. This recipe is the result of many trials, but is mainly based on a recipe Lotty Schellenberg sent me from Switzerland. There, of course, you don’t need to bake it: you can get it at the market. The trick to this bread is to let it triple in size during the first rise. European users, see Notes on Ingredients.

 


Sponge:

1 tsp. dry yeast

250ml/1 cup warm water

350g/1½ cup sifted flour

 

Dough:

1½ tsp. dry yeast

5 tbs. warm milk

1 tbs. olive oil

250ml/1 cup warm water

600g/3 cups flour

2-3 tsp. salt

(2-3 tbs. warm water additional if needed)

 

1.       Sponge: In a mixer bowl, add the yeast to the water, allow to stand for 3-4 minutes, stirring gently. Sift the flour and add to the yeast. Combine ingredients well, cover and let stand at room temperature for 12 hours.

2.       Dough: Add the yeast to the milk, stir and let it stand 3-4 minutes to be sure the yeast is working.

3.       Add the yeast mixture, water and oil to the sponge and mix with a dough hook.

4.       Add 2 cups of flour and the salt and knead for 2 minutes at low speed, 3 minutes at middle speed, adding the remaining flour slowly, or more water, until the dough begins to pull from the sides of the bowl.

 The dough should be quite soft; firm enough to handle without sticking to the hands, but still very soft. Add the last of the flour slowly. Or, add water if necessary.

5.       Cover or place in a large, oiled bowl and let rise in a warm place for about 1 hour or until tripled in size and bubbly.

6.       Place the dough on floured baking paper or other surface and divide into 4 pieces, but do not punch down. Form in rectangles about 10” x 4”/25 x 10 cm in size and press down lightly with the fingers. Cover the dough and let rise for 90 minutes. The dough will rise only slightly.

 The flour on the surface where the bread makes its final rise is what remains on the top of the loaf after baking. With practice you can adjust the amount to get a pleasing appearance. You can also form them into about 6 to 8 rolls.

 Preheat oven to 200°C/400° F.

7.       Heat two baking sheets in the oven for about 15 minutes. Pick up the loaves, turn them over and lay them upside down on the sheets, being careful not to press out the air. Bake the bread for 25-30 minutes until bread just begins to turn golden. During the first 10 minutes, paint or spray the bread with water 3 times.

Adapted from a recipe provided by Lotty Schellenberg, Zürich.

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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2009, 02:25:19 am »
This is a "fair" translation of the loaf in the Italian link:

Ingredients:

300 gr. of water at room temperature
1 teaspoon sugar
1 teaspoon malt (barley)
500 gr. bakers' flour
7 grams of yeast
10 grams of salt

Method:

Pour into TM bowl the water, sugar, malt and yeast, mix for 20 seconds at speed 2

Add flour and salt and knead 3 minutes on Interval speed.   ::

Put the dough in a ceramic bowl covered with foil(or tea towel) and let rise for about two hours.

When it has doubled in volume, move it to a floured surface and divide it into three pieces, giving each the shape of a roll with the length  20 cm wide by 4cm.

Sprinkle with flour and arrange on baking sheets covered with baking paper. Cover with floured cloth and seal with plastic wrap.  Let stand for 30 minutes.

After this time of resting stretch the two ends of each strip and pull to lengthen the strips by another  5 to 8 cm.

Turn the loaves, cover with a damp towel and allow to rise for another 30 minutes.

Bake at 200 ° for 15 minutes and then continue for another 10-15 minutes at 180 degrees.

Remove from the oven and let cool before serving.


There are lots of recipes for ciabatta - but the main deal, as pointed out by Gertbysea while i've been translating, is a slow rise is important.  That is why there is less yeast than you might otherwise use. You end up with some big holes in the bread and lots of small holes.  But it is best to allow SLOW development - so had to get my BTM into gear as it needs to be started today for Fathers' Day.

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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2009, 03:21:15 am »
I have been making the "5 minutes a day" bread for ages now and is just too easy and very tasty.  It makes a big lot of dough so is not really suitable for the TM and is just so easy that it isn't worth dirtying the machine.  It would take longer to clean the TM than mix the dough!
This dough also improves with age so pop it in the fridge for a day or too and then cook it.
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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2012, 06:44:49 am »
I have been making this bread for some time and have adapted it to make it easy. The fist part is the sponge just to mix in a bowl and leave overnight.  For the second part just put all the ingredients in the TMX mix for 5 sec on 7 and knead for 2 minutes. Put it into a well oiled bowl and let it rise before dividing the dough and plonking it  on baking paper on a tray. shape into loaves say 3 or 4 and leave to rise again before putting it in the oven as is. I don't bother fiddling with it and don't bother sifting the flour either. Seems to make no difference at all but I do spray it with water  a few times to make a crusty loaf.

   
Ciabatta Bread
Click here if you don’t see theTable of Contents

Makes 4 loaves

 This wonderful Italian bread is named after its ‘slipper’ shape. This recipe is the result of many trials, but is mainly based on a recipe Lotty Schellenberg sent me from Switzerland. There, of course, you don’t need to bake it: you can get it at the market. The trick to this bread is to let it triple in size during the first rise. European users, see Notes on Ingredients.

 


Sponge:

1 tsp. dry yeast

250ml/1 cup warm water

350g/1½ cup sifted flour

 

Dough:

1½ tsp. dry yeast

5 tbs. warm milk

1 tbs. olive oil

250ml/1 cup warm water

600g/3 cups flour

2-3 tsp. salt

(2-3 tbs. warm water additional if needed)

 

1.       Sponge: In a mixer bowl, add the yeast to the water, allow to stand for 3-4 minutes, stirring gently. Sift the flour and add to the yeast. Combine ingredients well, cover and let stand at room temperature for 12 hours.

2.       Dough: Add the yeast to the milk, stir and let it stand 3-4 minutes to be sure the yeast is working.

3.       Add the yeast mixture, water and oil to the sponge and mix with a dough hook.

4.       Add 2 cups of flour and the salt and knead for 2 minutes at low speed, 3 minutes at middle speed, adding the remaining flour slowly, or more water, until the dough begins to pull from the sides of the bowl.

 The dough should be quite soft; firm enough to handle without sticking to the hands, but still very soft. Add the last of the flour slowly. Or, add water if necessary.

5.       Cover or place in a large, oiled bowl and let rise in a warm place for about 1 hour or until tripled in size and bubbly.

6.       Place the dough on floured baking paper or other surface and divide into 4 pieces, but do not punch down. Form in rectangles about 10” x 4”/25 x 10 cm in size and press down lightly with the fingers. Cover the dough and let rise for 90 minutes. The dough will rise only slightly.

 The flour on the surface where the bread makes its final rise is what remains on the top of the loaf after baking. With practice you can adjust the amount to get a pleasing appearance. You can also form them into about 6 to 8 rolls.

 Preheat oven to 200°C/400° F.

7.       Heat two baking sheets in the oven for about 15 minutes. Pick up the loaves, turn them over and lay them upside down on the sheets, being careful not to press out the air. Bake the bread for 25-30 minutes until bread just begins to turn golden. During the first 10 minutes, paint or spray the bread with water 3 times.

Adapted from a recipe provided by Lotty Schellenberg, Zürich.

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I'm making this now, sponge made last night and one it's first rise, hopefully ready by dinner time.

I must say I do find it frustrating cleaning up the TM bowl after bread making....hope the bread is worth it.

Anyone got any tips for freezing? Just wrap in ?clingwrap? And maybe a ziplock?

Suzanne

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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2012, 07:48:20 am »
Final rise to go...


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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2012, 10:16:29 am »
Nice crusty outside, inside not quite as holey as I expected. Tastes good though...




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Re: Ciabatta/artisan bread?
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2012, 10:56:53 am »
SusieG, after breadmaking I usually put some hot water in the bowl and give it a 15 sec or so whizz at a high speed it helps to get all the loose dough off then i just brush out what is left.  I use this method with lots of recipes.