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Welcoming Center, Management and General Chat => Chit Chat => Topic started by: cookie1 on December 16, 2010, 01:29:49 am
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I think the subject is what I wanted to ask. I have had a look and enjoyed it. I found it hard to find my way round and still do. But I'm sure that is only because I'm 'over 21' and this is the main forum I frequent and it is a little different. I know that as I use it more it will become easier.
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Me too cookie. Something else that requires a bit of time to get the old head around. I uploaded my choux pastry recipe for cream puffs last night, and love how big the pictures are. Thats as far as I got basically.
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Will have to check it out when I have some more time.
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i have had a look and joined up there also. it looks pretty good and its always nice to share tm stories, experiences, etc. but i still love this forum nice and simple, i can easily come on here and see what topics are new, have a quick read and then i am off again!
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I am on there too. I think it is harder to navigate than here and harder to use with the iPad as the posting always default to rich text and I have to change it each time I want to post something. There is a great thing on there though. You can favorite a recipe and it will store them in your favorites so no need to copy and paste or search for the recipe you like or have seen before. You can also print a recipe off or save as a PDF which is fantastic :). I will be using both, but as JD said old shoes are more comfortable ;)
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I do find it a bit hard to find the new posts. Certainly not as simple as on here....but then I do get attached to things!! :)
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Yes, I've joined up - how could I not? Its about Thermomix!!
Navigation is a bit slower as you have to "drill down" a bit further to get to the thread. But "looks" lovely, and like here the pictures are mouthwatering ;D. If more TM recipes are shared and tweaked thats good for everyone. And also direct interaction with and feedback to "HO" can only be a good thing. But, as has been said, this forum will always be where I call home ;D
PS We are not being unfaithful to MM are we?!!
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Just joined up but found it a bit hard to navigate (but then I run forums on smf - like here) but hopefully will be lots of new recipes to try. But think I'll come here for chat.
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The general consensus of opinion seems to be the same - this forum is easier to navigate but that could be because we know it like the back of our hand. Our print seems clearer, the whole thing more colourful and it will always be 'home' to me. Nice to see all our friends on the H.O. forum though and I will be popping in, time permitting, once a day if I am able. As long as this forum stays on air, I cannot see us deserting it but if we have too many 'crashes' at least we have somewhere else to visit. Loyalty is a big thing and for that reason, our regulars will always be here. xx to you all
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Once you have registered for the recipe community you can enter the ‘Best of Community Competition’ where you have the opportunity to get one of your favourite recipes published in the next International cookbook and win a wonderful Thermomix prize hamper! There will be 10 winners from Australia/New Zealand so enter asap so that you can get as many votes as possible!!
All you need to do is add an original recipe and encourage people to get voting.
There are a couple of people from here who have already posted recipes. Support them by rating and voting for their recipes ;D
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"original recipe" - don't think that means one you've made up? I checked the Terms and Conditions and didn't see that. I submitted my choux pastry recipe for cream puffs, but I definitely didn't come up with the ingredients myself.
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Here are the rules ;) look at Clause 7d. To be honest I am not sure what constitutes an original recipe ???
http://www.recipecommunity.com.au/competitionrules.html
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I joined but agree with you, I found it difficult to navigate.It was great to see "old friends" had joined as well but I feel very much at home here.I consider you all my TM family. :)
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The recipe competition is interesting. If the recipe is to be original can be confusing. Most of mine are ones I look at and adapt to the Thermomix and usually leave out and add ingredients. Does that make it original? Hard to decide.
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I wondered the same thing Cookie. It is very difficult to come up with a recipe without inspiration from somewhere. Most of my recipes are adapted for the TM from another recipe. Perhaps we should contact them and ask? :)
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I've had a look and in a addition to being not as user friendly, I'm wondering what their aim is - a chat forum with recipes? or a recipe base with chat? I think a lot more thought has to go into the site - it seems a bit aimless at the moment, even if it is new; being new is no excuse. In this day and age where we have access to so many sites, recipe community has to sort itself out for it attract users.
This forum is attractive from the angle that it is independant from Vorwerk and that's where it gets my vote, but good luck to the people at recipe community - competition is the name of the game.
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I think this forum is fantastic and I can navigate myself around it easily. Probably just a matter of spending time working out how that one works if I had extra time. They have obviously seen how successful this forum is, and in hind sight realised they should have done something similar. I do think its a great thing, and a good selling tool for new customers and another site that we can go to for more TM recipes.
(Is it any wonder why all the sponsored advertising is for losing weight ;))
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Initially I liked the look of it, especially some of the photos. But I am also finding it a bit hard to 'find' my way around. I can't even see the competition you are talking about (not that I would enter as I haven't converted anything yet) but I would like to vote. It's great to have another site to get more ideas and inspiration from though :)
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I wondered the same thing Cookie. It is very difficult to come up with a recipe without inspiration from somewhere. Most of my recipes are adapted for the TM from another recipe. Perhaps we should contact them and ask? :)
I have emailed Tenina about it. Will report back with the response when it comes in. ;)
I had an interesting chat with a friend the other night and she was saying that she had heard that ingredients can't be protected from being copied and if the method is changed slightly you can say based on Nigela's recipe and if you have changed the ingredients you can say inspired by Nigela. I will get the link from her and post when I can.
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Thanks Meagan. I've heard the same as your friend. As we change the method so much it isn't really a recipe from anywhere else. We'll wait and see.
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Although the Format for the"recipecommunity" is different, the aim seems the same as the Forum. I suppose the highest praise is for someone to copy what you are doing because it is so successful. Advantages of the new site is that HO can offer incentives. Advantage of Forum is that it is NOT run by HO. It is good that HO has made changes to what was pretty pathetic. Any incentive, that encourages the TMX community to better use our machines has to be a good thing for all users. Everyone who joins the Forum and interacts with it brings something of value. Look at Isi and Farfallina, not to mention our local members. There are people who will join 'recipecommunity' who have a lot to offer , but don't know about the Forum. All will benefit from this. Personally, I like the ethos of the Forum, so will probably stick with it. However I will dip into the 'recipecommunity', like I do with other sites.
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Well said chookie.
I agree that more recipes & knowledge shared is a wonderful thing. I will probably join up too, but think my chatter will remain here. It sort of feels like I would be "cheating" on a friend IYKWIM ;)
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Yes Maddy, we do know what you mean. ;D
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Ok here is Tenina's response
It means a recipe that is a recipe for Thermomix (obviously) and it can be adapted from a non thermomix recipe, but must not really resemble the original by more than 80%.
You also cannot have had it published elsewhere either by you or by Thermomix in a book or printed publication or online other than on here as a competition entry.
I am not sure but will check for you the status of recipes that appear on a personal blog as clearly we have lots of those already...
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I would say no to the blog, "online anywhere but their website" so we can't submit anything we've submitted on this forum or our blogs which is bit unfair to those who are happily sharing everything they do for the greater TMX good.
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Just had a quick look and like most of you also found it not as easy to get around as here!!!! Also not sure if I registered properly - do you get an email to tell you if you did it right??? I'm not all that computer savy, so hope they make it as easy as this site is. Have a great Christmas everyone!!!
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Funny Trudy, I can't even remember if I did get an email but if you can access that forum, you are certainly accepted because you cannot access it unless you join up. I tried to see if I could find you amongst the members and there is a trudy on there but it would not let me look at her profile. It said I am 'not authorised to access this page'. Did you type a comment in the Welcome to our Forum thread?
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I've signed up there now. I like it so far - particularly the favourites and the rating function, something we miss here. I see it more as a tmx recipezaar, which I'm thrilled to have, but not a replacement to here.
I tried to post in their forum for recipe book ideas, but although I could add a title, the comments box wasn't recognised by my iPad so I didn't have a keyboard, so I couldn't post :'(
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I've enjoyed reading everyone's comments. I agree with all of them. I like recipe community for recipes and hints etc. This is the chatty place. As Chookie said it is wonderful that they have created it.
Thanks Meagan for your reply from Tenina.
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I've signed up there now. I like it so far - particularly the favourites and the rating function, something we miss here. I see it more as a tmx recipezaar, which I'm thrilled to have, but not a replacement to here.
I tried to post in their forum for recipe book ideas, but although I could add a title, the comments box wasn't recognised by my iPad so I didn't have a keyboard, so I couldn't post :'(
Caroline you can type you just have to select 'deselect rich text' on the bottom right under the text box or there is another one you can select - can't remember the name of it now. But it does take a bit of time to do which is annoying!
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I don't really like the forum part of the other site, much prefer this one. You can't add links to other sites; the signature line is in the same font and same size as your post, so it's not distinguishable from your post; I can't use other smilies other than the ones on offer at the site (which are awful!). BUT, it's a start! It's got lots of content and some great recipes and a lot of local members.
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Caroline you can type you just have to select 'deselect rich text' on the bottom right under the text box or there is another one you can select - can't remember the name of it now. But it does take a bit of time to do which is annoying!
Thanks for the tip Meagan. I'll give it a try later. By the way, so far the easiest way I've found to put recipes quickly on the iPad is to use spring pad. If you have a look at it and find you're interested, pm me and I'll talk you through how you can add the clipper to your iPad browser. There's a work around.
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Sorry but I don't like it at all. I am older, eyesight not as good as it used to be, and the LT Grey font is very "Fuzzy" and very difficult for me to read. Navigation is not as easy as here. Probably written by a programmer.
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Welcome to the forum pamoc. Hopefully we will now see more of you. Where are you from?
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I'm slightly chuffed! :D
I have entered some recipes on the site, and my Parmesan bread is recipe of the day http://www.recipecommunity.com.au/ I just hope others like it as much as we do.
That could be embarrassing otherwise. LOL.
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I keep forgetting to go and look. I will have to go and review that for you Maddy as we love it. I really don't know if I should put up some recipes there or not.
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I really don't know if I should put up some recipes there or not.
Of course you should cookie......there's prizes involved ;)
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Oops, I didn't realize I couldn't put recipes from my blog on the recipe community - how annoying! I put all my recipes on my blog!! Guess I'll have to take them off the community and keep them on my blog :(
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Jo there is yet to be clarification of the blog issue. I think it would be a real shame as I think you have a really great chance of winning and your recipes are awesome so the more people that know about your blog/ recipes the better I think ;D
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Could someone please explain why a recipe that you have developed, cannot be posted on the recipe community ? When I develop a recipe, I post it first on my blog and then shift it over to the Forum. I post it on the Forum so more people can have a try. The original recipe is mine, so that is why I post it on my Blog. I don't see why the recipe community should have exclusive rights to my recipes. It is more important to me to share than to win prizes. It seems a real shame that someone as creative and innovative as Jo is unable to share ,through the recipe community because she has posted on her blog.
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:o I've put recipes from my blog there! How ridiculous! Chookie, if you find out the reason, please let me know too!
Well, that means I WON'T be putting any more recipes on there. I'll just link to my blog.
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I don't have a blog but still would rather share my recipes on here. Guess that is just how I feel. Once we put them on recipecommunity do they become the their recipe?
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Eeek, I hope they don't become theirs!! We'll have to check into all this - there's quite a few of us 'bloggers' that would rather share on our blogs and here than only on there! Thanks Meagan for looking into it!!! :)
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http://www.recipecommunity.com.au/competitionrules.html
Excerpt 6.1 All Submissions become the property of Thermomix in Australia. :o
My understanding is that this is for the competition. If it is just on the community site then it is still yours. But I am not completely sure.
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http://www.recipecommunity.com.au/competitionrules.html
Excerpt 6.1 All Submissions become the property of Thermomix in Australia. :o
Well I'm afraid that's the clincher for me! Will not be sharing my hard work for others to 'prosper', I'm more then happy to share here, as everyone does :D
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Me too! But how do I take them out of the competition???
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:-\ ??? :-\ I didn't look at the fine print either!
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I am reluctant to enter the comp because what if one day I wanted to do my own Thermomix cookbook (which is a possibility) then I no longer own my own recipes :-\
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I agree, Meagan!!!
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I thought that at the beginning and have avoided the site since. I don't want TMX Australia to own my recipes and everything I do goes on my blog first. It's firstly a record for me of what I make and any tweaks/recipes etc I use (as well as being hopefully a helpful record for new/hopeful users into the daily life of a tmx as that's why I started it)
I did think of creating a recipe to enter the competition but then decided it wasn't what I was about - but the prizes sound good!!
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Just come home so have missed all this flurry of conversation here. I noticed my Prawn Crepe recipe which I won first prize for on one of H.O.'s competitions (the dinner party one) has shown up on the new forum with no reference to me at all. One of my soup recipes is there with a slight difference in amount of stock (she used less stock and added some water to make up the same amount as I used in stock) and one of ILB's is also there - no mention of where they got it from. I'm not going to kick up a fuss, will just let them do it their way but I agree with you girls re your blogs. Too many rules if you ask me and if they want to keep members, they will have to loosen them a bit I feel. I've made a few comments on some threads but cannot see how to start a thread myself and all my recipes will only be posted on our forum (unless someone pinches them and puts their name to it :-)) :-)).)
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Yes, quite a few of mine are on there without my name too. :(
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Well that is not on really as far as I am concerned. They need to reference people who have developed or converted the recipes!! Especially if they haven't asked permission prior to uploading.
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grrr not very ethical then!!!
So they don't name their sources but you can't publish anywhere else. mmm not my style.
the TMX community that I've seen is much more giving than that. But then again it's very inkeeping with HO's way of thinking ie you can't buy things without a demo etc.
All sort of good ideas, but they don't work for everyone and can be damaging in some instances.
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So they don't name their sources but you can't publish anywhere else. mmm not my style.
??? I don't get that either ???
I think this forum is very respectful of each persons own recipes......and I guess we assume everyone else to do the same :-\
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I think Tenina needed recipes for the community and used whatever she had in her database, and I know she said to Thermomixer (Jeff) that he should come on and claim the ones that were his, so I thought I'd do that too, but don't know how??? The ones she added aren't entered in the competition, so I guess they're not 'owned' by Thermomix - isn't that right, Meagan? I think from what I understand it's just the ones in the competition that they 'keep' - I guess then if they're put into a book, they're not already 'out there' and they're more special and new, or something. ??? ??? ???
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I am not sure Jo it is just my interpretation of the legal wording in the rules for the comp.
I haven't read any info about the community recipes that aren't in the comp.
But I think they will own all recipes submitted to the competition ( I think they may also own your photo as well) and then I suppose they can be used/included in publications Thermomix in Australia publishes in the future. Or at least that is how I read it. I have messaged Tenina to ask her a couple of things re ownership of recipes etc but that was only today and she is yet to respond.
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Oh truly, it's totally ridiculous. I'm cancelling my membership there and removing it from my bookmarks. I hate those sort of rules and regs.
I've removed my recipes that were entered in the comp. Just go to edit and delete everything. I left an explanation and a title 'Recipe Removed'
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Sounds so much like the way HO treats their consultants. it's okay for the consultants to spend their own money to promote the TM, while HO doesn't do much in the way of advertising. From what I've seen, they squeeze everything out of the consultants that they can - everything is done voluntarily. Is it like this just in Australia, or is it like this with Thermomix all around the world.
I'm reluctant to have too much to do with RC because they have access to our isp address and can work out who we are and where we live (i think - i know the police can tell where emails come from from the isp address), so all they have to do is link up our isp with the isp we used to register on (is big brother making me paranoid??).
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I hope I have read the rules correctly ???. Please read through them yourselves and make up your own mind. I don't want anyone to make decisions based on my interpretation ??? It is such a shame that the people who are on the recipe community lose out on seeing such great recipes MJ, if they don't come over here or know about us here. It is a shame. I feel like I should have kept my mouth shut ( or my fingers still so to speak) :-[ :-)) :-\
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It is a shame, but then again Meagan if it is correct then people have the right to do as they feel is right. If you happen to be incorrect then you can stand corrected ;D ;D and we can all go about adding our recipes again. :-* :-*
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I think I'll just wait til Meagan hears back from Tenina - if the recipes can't be on my blog and in the competition, they'll be disqualified anyway. :(
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I'm reluctant to have too much to do with RC because they have access to our isp address and can work out who we are and where we live (i think - i know the police can tell where emails come from from the isp address), so all they have to do is link up our isp with the isp we used to register on (is big brother making me paranoid??).
Anyone on ANY forum with admin (or on some forums even moderator) rights can access your ISP address and joint he dots so to speak.
I also think its unethical and was glad someone PM'd me to let me know about this forum.
I'm not 100% positive but I was under the impression that all recipes uploaded with a photo, on the RX forum would be owned by HO TMX and could be entered into the competition without your needing to say yes or no.
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Chrissy welcome over here ;D did you start the thread about returning a TM? How are you going with your cooking now? Would love to here about it. I think it was Judy who pmed you.
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Glad to see you have officially joined us Chrissy, a big welcome to you. Enjoy your time here.
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I'll start a new thread, but yep that was me. And it Judy who Pmed me, thanks.
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The tender loving care that is shown on this forum still continues to amaze me!! You are a star JD and a huge welcome to you Chrissy, hopefully we can get you under way :-* :-*
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Thanks Kathryn, I am humbled by your praise but it is just what we do here isn't it :-* :-* :-*
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Me too! But how do I take them out of the competition???
Just click 'Save As Draft' and also unchoose the competition area and your recipe will be removed from the published content.
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Ah, thanks. I'll wait until Meagan hears back though to be sure - my salmon salad pizza is the featured recipe today, so can't really pull it off!! :D
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No word as yet Jo
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I feel the concern is very real Meagan. The other day I was looking through a sort of new WW book at the shops and would you believe I saw a recipe I had sent in to them to try and win a competition a couple of years ago. I had actually invented it over time. I didn't win the competition! I don't really care that much as I'm over that. I sometimes think magazines etc ask people to send in recipes and then they use them as their own. I don't blame them as there must be only so many things you can create.
Off the soap box now.
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That's so frustrating though, isn't it. :( And rude!
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Cookie, I would write to them and claim your recipe, if I were you.
I'm in that sort of mood today. I've emailed three different companies! SPC to tell them their tinned spaghetti and baked beans are too full of liquidy sauce and not enough beans or pasta, another to Bulla to tell them I hate their new Ice Cream containers and another to Ethical.org to tell them that Gaia Baby Products no longer use pure essential oil, but components of it to fragrance their products.
I've been on my soapbox all day!
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Good on you MJ.
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Must be something we ate MJ, I also complained yesterday when they didn't fill my wine up to the mark on the glass. I noticed it when they gave the guy ahead of me his so when I got mine, all of a sudden my mouth opened and out came this request to please fill it to the line :-)) :-)) :-)) I think you get to a certain age and don't put up with you know what.
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Well done MJ.
SPC used to be owned by the growers. Now it is owned by Coca Cola - enough said.
I can still remember the "SPC baked beans and spaghetti for hungry little human beans" ad from many years ago. A lot of people attribute that ad to Heinz but it was the most successful advertising campaign that SPC ever ran.
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Cookie, I would write to them and claim your recipe, if I were you.
I'm in that sort of mood today. I've emailed three different companies! SPC to tell them their tinned spaghetti and baked beans are too full of liquidy sauce and not enough beans or pasta, another to Bulla to tell them I hate their new Ice Cream containers and another to Ethical.org to tell them that Gaia Baby Products no longer use pure essential oil, but components of it to fragrance their products.
I've been on my soapbox all day!
I could hand deliver your Bulla complaint ;) I live 2 minutes away, and know almost every staff member there :D
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This has been an interesting thread to read and I totally agree with you all. And I'm really disappointed that HO choose to use our recipes without giving us the due credit. That's all we ask for, not royalties but just credit where credit is due.
I just received my offical "resignation" letter from HO. No Christmas card but they were pretty quick to send off this letter :-)) And I was suprised that they're demanding all the contact information back ASAP as it's 'their' intellectual property... I'd better step off my soap box now before I say too much ;)
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is that contact information as in customer contact information that they are asking for ILB?
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Anyone on ANY forum with admin (or on some forums even moderator) rights can access your ISP address and joint he dots so to speak.
I also think its unethical and was glad someone PM'd me to let me know about this forum.
I know, but I think an independant site (such as this) would have less reason to check up on us. I'm sure RC is more likely to check up our details and perhaps even use them for their stats, IYKWIM, in fact I'm sure they will. I'm also sure they have spent a lot of time studying this site before starting theirs. The fact that recipes have been lifted from here is proof of that. The fact that they have not acknowledged sources is terribly impolite, especially considering everyone else is carefully to state sources of information. What they have done essentially constitutes plagiarism and theft of interlectual property, nevermind impolite.
I know I'd never be able to speak my mind on RC because TM owns it and are quite within their rights to censor what I write. A bit of a police state in cyberspace.
ILB, I'd tell them your records were all destroyed or lost when you moved.
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Well done MJ.
SPC used to be owned by the growers. Now it is owned by Coca Cola - enough said.
I didn't realise that. I've checked on ethical.org.au and yes, but at least it's Coco Cola Amatil, an Australian company.
ILB, I wouldn't cooperate one bit.
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This has been an interesting thread to read and I totally agree with you all. And I'm really disappointed that HO choose to use our recipes without giving us the due credit. That's all we ask for, not royalties but just credit where credit is due.
I just received my offical "resignation" letter from HO. No Christmas card but they were pretty quick to send off this letter :-)) And I was suprised that they're demanding all the contact information back ASAP as it's 'their' intellectual property... I'd better step off my soap box now before I say too much ;)
I never got a Christmas card either - wonder if any consultants did this year?
They ask for the contact forms but they are never reissued to consultants as a rule, otherwise why is there so many customers out there without consultants??!!
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I have had customer info and demo summary forms passed on to me from retiring consultants in a 'hand over'.
I got a Christmas card 8)
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Well my goodness! I checked in on this thread a couple of days ago when it was only three pages long and I have to say the general tone was somewhat more forgiving. Thought I'd watch to see what happened next and here we are now. Three pages later, and a less forgiving tone. We are in interesting times, for sure.
I hear people raising doubts about the ethics of TMX HO practices and about the rights of internet users regarding original content and boy oh boy, don't get me started. >:( Oh, wait, it's too late, I'm typing already! ;)
To clear up one fact: it is not just the owners and admins of 'forums' who can check up on IP addresses. It's basically any site owner or blog owner with any amount of web savvyness. Once you jump online and poke around with a mouse, you lose your privacy. That's a simple fact that most people don't think about but it's just the nature of the internet. It's how business is done and it is what drives the ad deliveries to all blogs and sites, even this forum. Not a big deal, and NOT worth losing sleep over.
Intellectual property rights are a BIG bugaboo for people like me who have been creating content for print and web. RESPONSIBLE publishers (be they book publishers, newspapers, magazines, webiste owners, bloggers etc.) will always get you to 'sign off' if they plan to avail themselves of the rights to your content. There is always fine print, so look for it. If there is no fine print, head in the other direction. This is one reason I declined a while back when someone on this forum asked to use my Chocolate Salami recipe for a cookbook or something. Yes he did ask, but the recipe was not completely mine and I did not want to get into a potentially complicated situation with anyone over a recipe that I have already credited to someone else on my blog. (see how quickly things can get complicated?)
This forum is a blessing and what is a forum but the sum of the integrity of its members? In this case, also a MM who moderates at arms length, for the sake of a robust community. Witness this thread. Bravo. The support around the questions raised in this thread is wonderful to see.
Someone asked if these HO practices are TMX-wide, or just relating to Oz. I have seen and heard A LOT from customers, consultants and distributors around the world. In fact, I have heard too much. No need to wonder why I do not sell the machine. But the stories I've experienced and heard will never be made public on my blog or any other site because my primary allegiance is to the machine. In fact, I love this machine so much, that I work 12 hours each day :o on developing and marketing a blog with no revenue stream. I have sent a staggering number :o :o :o :o of referrals to Vorwerk and if I had $1 for each machine they sold from a SuperKitchenMachine referral, I'd have enough to fly to Australia and kiss each of your Bimbys.
I think the questions being asked in this thread are wonderful and healthy. The internet is changing the face of 'direct marketing' far beyond what anyone could have expected. The people who make the marketing rules for TMX are scrambling to catch up because the internet is not their game. Remember, they are a family-owned company with a sales model that goes back several generations...
I think the best thing to do is:
1) Keep asking questions.
2) Value yourself and what you do, ESPECIALLY if you are a consultant. (I bow down to you all.)
3) Stay true to the machine.
4) Get up from your chair, walk into the kitchen and cook something in your Bimby. This is the best way to get back in touch with why we are all here. Thermomix has enlarged our world, enriched our lives and allowed us to have so much fun with each other, with our food, and with our families.
Right now, some of you may feel you're being handed the proverbial lemon, but if there is one thing that's for sure, it's that we Thermomix owners sure do know how to make lemonade -- don't we?!? ;)
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Thermoblogger, Thanks. You have hit the nail on the head, and from outside Australia. It is important that we all protect our own integrity. Where ever there is money involved there are going to be problems. I have always been grateful toMM for the manner in which he and his team have managed this Forum.
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Exactly. Bravo Helene, well said. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Thank you Helene - we love you!!!!! :-* :-* :-* :-*
You're such a help to us all, especially those of us not as internet savvy as we think we are!! (me for one!) I think Helene's right that all this internet stuff has happened very quickly, and they're scrambling to keep up because it's not their 'thing'.
Re HO asking for forms from ex-consultants - that's actually so they can keep contact with customers, sending them newsletters relating to cooking classes, etc, and I don't think it's something to get upset about. They're not invading anyone's privacy or anything - just keeping in contact with people who want to be kept in the loop. I've actually had customers from consultants I know (who are no longer consultants) contact me through my blog VERY upset that nobody is looking after them, no one is telling them when cooking classes are, no one is letting them know what host incentives are on offer for the month, etc, because their ex-consultant hasn't passed on the forms yet, and they feel like they've been forgotton!!! So I think it's important for ex-consultants to make sure their ex-customers are going to be well looked after by someone by passing on their customers contact details, and not just leave them to flounder without any support. :)
I know I was upset when I bought my first machine, and my consultant quit not long after, and I never heard another peep from anyone for 5 years!!! I had no help - once I'd bought my Thermomix, I was on my own. (And no forum back then!!! :( ) It was only by chance that I saw a Thermomix stall at the local show and got back in contact with Thermomix people (and ended up becoming a consultant - yay!!)... Mostly I've had lots of help from HO and I love being a consultant. I am disappointed about the recipe community claiming ownership of recipes, but I'll just not put any more recipes on there - other than that I've had good experiences with Thermomix :) And we have some lovely consultants up here in FNQ, and lots of support. :)
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Well said, TB.
I think we all agree that we are happy with our tms, but are dissatisfied with the way management fumbles around and tries to make people (customers and consultants, alike) jump through so many hoops. So much work the consultants do is unpaid, and to top it off, they don't even get reimbursed for ingredients used in classes and promotional activity. Now they want to rip off recipes off the customers as well by claiming ownership of recipes they don't even develop. That's the impression of the company that I am getting.
Quirky, the same happened to me - my consultant disappeared after selling me (and my friend) our tms, and my friend didn't get a demo at all, or a thermoserver for that matter. I don't know what HO do with the forms because they certainly didn't do any follow up.
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Jo, it's only recipes entered in the competition that become Vorwerk's property. Much like cookie's WW recipe competiton. I bet it said in the rules that the recipes become their property.
If the reason HO want customer info is to keep them informed, then yes, that's perfectly acceptable.
And, well said Helene! Hear, hear.
And, thanks MM for allowing us all to express our views freely.
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Helene you have typed wise words. NOw to be really honest, I don't care that much. As long as I can come on here and share recipes I'm a happy little thermomight.
I'm sure Tenina will get back to Meagan as soon as she can.
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thanks MJ, that's a weight off my mind! I'll leave my recipes on there, just not enter them in the comp. :)
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Never underestimate the power of magnanimity. I maintain that in business, as in friendship, it is its own reward. Sadly, this fact it all too often lost on those who focus on the almighty dollar. The good news? Awareness of this pitfall is a success in itself.
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I agree!!! :)
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I agree!!!!!
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is that contact information as in customer contact information that they are asking for ILB?
Yes it is faffa. It's funny as they detail what I need to do should my circumstances change I want to re-register and it seems that if I do that, then I'll need to start from scratch again. ??? :-)) If that's the case then no thanks! I didn't do all the ground work establishing TMX in this region as the first consultant in the area for them to rip it away and make me start from scratch again. Maybe I have the wrong idea, but it doesn't particulary leave a good taste in my mouth.
Quirky,
I have no issue with HO wanting to keep in contact with existing customers. And they do have all the customers details on record when the order was placed. From there they're entered onto the data base and included in the newsletters and updates regarding cooking classes. I was sent a really berief spreadsheet once with half a dozen customers from aanother town completely who's consultant had also retired. It certainly wasn't the type of information taken off the green forms. And in many cases these customers were no longer contactable at all.
Saying all that dI was left on my own when I purchased mine too. My consultant is still very active but there was no way I could get any support at the time. Anyway that's a completely different can of worms I wont get into.
Thanks for your words TB. :-*
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ILB, I'd tell them your records were all destroyed or lost when you moved.
Yes, it's just such a terrible shame that I threw them all in the recycling prior to Christmas isn't it.....
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This has been an interesting thread to read and I totally agree with you all. And I'm really disappointed that HO choose to use our recipes without giving us the due credit. That's all we ask for, not royalties but just credit where credit is due.
I just received my offical "resignation" letter from HO. No Christmas card but they were pretty quick to send off this letter :-)) And I was suprised that they're demanding all the contact information back ASAP as it's 'their' intellectual property... I'd better step off my soap box now before I say too much ;)
My Spiced Chicken & Sweet Potato recipe may have been submitted for the Meat On The Menu cookbook ??? ??? but never used, even so it would be respectful for it to be acknowledged correctly.
I wonder if many of the others had been sent to them for the same reason either as a monthly mouthful submission or for a cookbook....? How many times has Tenina been on here asking for some help and recipes...??? :-\
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I have had customer info and demo summary forms passed on to me from retiring consultants in a 'hand over'.
I got a Christmas card 8)
We're obviously not in the good books then Meagan :D :D
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So are customers supposed to get newsletters etc from HO?? I've never got one from anyone, lol.
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Yes they are. I had chased it up with my BM or HO ??? ??? at some stage and when the order is placed your email address is supposed to go onto the data base and you'll get sent the newsletters via email.
Otherwise just go to their website and register your email address. ;)
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I'm sorry to hear you've had a bad experience, ILB :( My customers have told me that they haven't gotten the newsletters at all from HO, so I thought I had to send them, so that's what I do... and my friend's customers haven't been getting them either, and since she's finished up a couple have asked me for updates, but I don't have all of their contact details, and was worried they'd get neglected. Sounds a bit messy. Hope it's sorted out soon.
Btw, I didn't get a Christmas card either, but I did the first Christmas I was a consultant - maybe they only send it out the first year you're a consultant, since it's still the same card with the same recipe! :D
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Thanks Jo. I was assured at the time that HO would include the customers on the mailing list because I had wondered if I needed to add them myself...
And to be honest I really doubt they'd have the time to sort through everyone's green forms (from those that have retired) and follow up.
I had Christmas cards for the first two years. No big issue, I'm not worried about it. I just thought it amusing that's all ;) ;D
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Jo, it's only recipes entered in the competition that become Vorwerk's property.
I am not sure that is the case? Read the terms of use on the bottom of the home page.
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We're obviously not in the good books then Meagan :D :D
Lol :P
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So are customers supposed to get newsletters etc from HO?? I've never got one from anyone, lol.
My understanding is you only get the email from head office if you tick the box on the green form stating you would like to get info from Thermomix from time to time or if you supply an email address on your order form.
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HO must be in damage control mode today (first working day back from new year) - bet they didn't count on this, but what were they thinking when they lifted recipes without acknowledgement?
Much easier to post recipes here and have everyone pay due credit to the poster. This place is much warmer and nothing beats the independance.
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I agree with you totally TH!!! I'll be sticking to this forum & my much neglected blog for my recipes ;D
Besides I don't have enough time to visit this forum as much as I'd like anymore so theres nonway I'd find the time for 2!!
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I have to agree with everyone else - having read the (very detailed and legal) terms of use for that website, it seems that everything posted becomes their property, and that even passing content on to another person to use could be a cause for legal action against you!
I'm sure many other commercial websites would have similar terms of use, but as others have pointed out, the ability to share recipes and give credit where it is due is a major feature of our forum without running the risk of losing control of what you post!
Think I'll stay here among friends! ;)
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Hey guys; Calm down and let me explain. I remember having a complete dummy spit on this forum when I first joined because some people were posting my recipes as their own, complete with my diatribe to go with, simply a cut and pasted directly from my personal blog…I was cross to say the least. The lovely recipes that have shown up on the new community are all thanks to recipes that you have sent in to me over the last two years that I have subsequently cooked, photographed (for whatever reason) and then either used on the blog, in a book or in a newsletter. I had no option available to me for posting the authors of said recipes, nor the time to try and contact you all under the dome of silence so that we could get your permission prior to releasing the site…having said all that and at great risk to my sanity….
Can I ask you to identify your own recipes on the community in emails to my work email (not on here as I am sporadic at best on here!!) and I will rectify the authorship quite happily which I can actually do now we are live. As a note, you may have to give me your user name on the community for this to work…havent tried it yet…so be patient with me.
I am finally getting some paid help in the new year and I can tell you that is long overdue. I actually couldnt have done half of what I have done since I started at Thermomix without, in good part, you guys! I look forward to lots more exciting and helpful stuff coming up in the new year for customers and consultants alike. We are only as good as our consultants and the tools they have to work with, so support us and work with us, and it will all come together eventually!
Oh and BTW, the recipe ownership thing with Vorwerk is about the book that the winning recipes will appear in being completely original. It really has nothing more sinister in mind than that. Thermomix will not be claiming recipes as their own or shutting down other peoples projects or blogs or whatever if you publish on the community…should you be a winner…that specific recipe cannot appear in print elsewhere in the future and cannot be in print at the time of entry in the competition.
I wish you all a happy new year and trust we will see each other on the Community throughout 2011…. :P
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Thanks Tenina :)
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I've been watching this thread over the past few days and I got my DH to have a look at Tenina's reply about the recipe ownership in the competition.This is his review of the situation.
"This is a common requirement often found in the 'small print' of any type of competition where 'punters' are submitting material, such as photographs (in a photo competition), poems (in a poem competition), or recipes (in a recipe competition). It's purpose is two-fold. Firstly, it prevents the originator of each recipe from subsequently claiming royalties on the future sale of recipe books, published by the organiser of the competition, in which his or her recipe is included. Secondly, it prevents the originator of each recipe from publishing his or her recipe in any other book that might compete with the book published by the organiser of the competition. Effectively, if you submit a recipe, you are automatically transferring copyright of the recipe to the organiser of the competition. Those are their terms. If you wish to retain copyright of your recipe, then don't submit it to the competition."
DH also says "There are two ways of interpreting the motives behind this automatic transfer of copyright condition. The generous interpretation is that it can be seen as merely preventing a lot of hassle in the future when some originators might try to claim royalties on their published material. It would be a nightmare to try and determine the value of each recipe within a book of, say, 100 recipes. In reality the value of each recipe would probably be found to be quite small, even in a book selling thousands of copies, but the cost of trying to determine this value would be large. The less generous interpretation is that a competition is a very low-cost method of gathering a large supply of raw material from which to quickly select the gems and publish a book that might otherwise take a long time and a lot of expensive work to research and develop.
The simple solution is that each successful recipe is fully accredited to its originator in the recipe book . So 'Mrs Nora Brown from Newcastle created this wicked Fudge Cake' (or some such accreditation). Mrs B cannot reproduce the original Fudge Cake recipe in her own book, but she can claim to have been published in the book produced by Vorwerk"
I hope this helps..........or have I just added to the confusion ;D
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All our Aussie books have recipe acknowledgements in them
ie recipe contributed by
... Thermomix Groupe leader
... Thermomix Consultant
... Thermomix Customer
I don't recall seeing it in the Vorverk ones so that would probably be the the transfer - save them having to do the acknowledgement ;)
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Thanks CC and your DH. I did some checking with a friend who has published several books. He gave me the same information. However I wouldn't have been able to express it as well. Thanks a million.
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Well that all makes sense - thanks Tenina and CC and all... I figured that must be the reasons and it's fair enough. So If we submit recipes to the community but not to the competition they're still okay to be on our blogs, right? Just making sure! (That was my main worry!) :)
That's exciting you're getting some help, Tenina - I've been wondering where you fit in the time for the community recipe forum as well as everything else!!!
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CC, :-* :-* :-* to your DH for explaining things so clearly to us all. There had to be someone out there who understood all of this and it was so kind of him to share his knowledge with us all. People can make up their own mind which way they want to go as it is now very clear with your posting and the reply from Tenina.
Talking about the RC forum, is anyone having trouble with downloading threads on that site? I know my computer is slow but I have been using DH's which is only relatively new and is so much quicker than mine. It downloads anything anywhere as quick as a flash except for the recipecommunity forum and I usually get sick of waiting and click off. I managed to read a couple of threads late last night but some threads just would not come up for me. Be interested to see if anyone else is having this problem - I don't think I have said anything bad enough for that site to recognise who I am and play the 'go slow' trick on me ;D ;D
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Thank you Tenina and CC.
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Regardless of anything else, I find it ridiculously hard to navigate - I couldn't find anywhere for 'new posts' so I doubt if I will be on there.
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On the RHS under your profile is a link to latest posts Zebraa, I use that, though still find it very hard to navigate and only give it a brief looking over.
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this website is identical to the new vowerk french recipe website they launched last sept/oct.. havent been there that much though as i enjoy this forum too much
i think what helps with this forum as well as the adorable members is also the introduce yourself section..makes it more personable and inviting and others know where people are coming from and not just a pseudo..
pity about the rights of recipes etc..doesnt happen as far as i know on the french site although its probabloy written in the rules and regs somewhere..same group same rules i imagine???
:)
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Had a talk to Tenina and things are not as bad as they seem - if your recipe wins on the competition it belongs to them, but you get plenty of recognition, your name in the book, etc. Any recipes that don't win, or that are not entered into the competition, are still yours. So put some recipes on the community, but if you are worried about one winning that you want to keep on your blog, just don't enter it into the competition. I've re-entered some of mine, but not all - some I'd rather keep on my blog, some I don't mind if they're in a book instead (IF they win!) :)
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Jo I think you should give some serious consideration to publishing a cookbook of all your delicious, healthy and allergy free recipes. It would be a godsend to anyone with a TMX with special allergy problems but so many of your recipes are suitable for us all.
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I agree Jo. I'm sure it would be very popular.
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i think the other site is actually very similar to what this site was supposed to be getting changed to - like the portuguese site. not that i think it is likely to happen anymore
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jo, what about doing an e-book? (like jules does on the stone soup)
in fact i reckon this forum could do a great one!
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i think the other site is actually very similar to what this site was supposed to be getting changed to - like the portuguese site. not that i think it is likely to happen anymore
Yikes, I hope not!!! MM - don't do it :o :o :o
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You guys are sweet - I'd love to do a cookbook!! I haven't really looked into e-books, Karen - I'll have to have a look at the stone soup one :)
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I'm another person who thinks you should write a cookbook Jo.All the recipes I have cooked from your blog are foolproof.You are a wonderful cook. ;D
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Go Jo. Any support or help I can give you, you are welcome to. You would produce a great book with your wonderful recipes.
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ive only 'discovered' a couple of your recipes so far but they have all been great jo..i say go for it too..that would be so satifying i think..publishing a cookbook of your own recipes!! The allergy free element would also be a bonus..we dont have allergies and they were delish...I say that as I have found often 'special diet' food has a tendancy to be bland or a non event in my experience but the recipes i have tried would suit anyone..thats got to be an accomplishment in itself!
:)
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Thanks guys!! ;D
Well it sure sounds like fun! I used to want to get into writing and illustrating children's books, then decided I'd do a cookbook (hand illustrated), then started a blog instead... cookbook's the next step! Maybe it's time to think about it...
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Maybe it's time to think about it...
Absolutely Jo!
Allergy free food recipes are essential today. Your cookbook would be appreciated by many ;)
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Ditto what the other have said Jo - your recipes are fabulous, tasty and healthy, and great even for those of us without allergies or on a special diet. You should go for it!
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Can I pre-order one ;D ;D
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Autographed by the author?? :D
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ha ha! Sure, I'll autograph them for you!! (Might be counting your chickens, though!!) ;D
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Jo you seriously need to do it!! I would buy one and I know heaps of people who would too!!
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I want one too ;)
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Help, I'm being outnumbered!!!!
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Oh - Me too!! Me Too!!! Whoops - just let everyone know I've been lurking on this thread!! :-[ :-[ ;D ;) :D
Had a bit to say but just thought I'd leave my 2 cents out of it ;)
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Cab I second that.
Your recipes are amazing and your helpful tips are always welcome so I want an autographed copy of the book as well.
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Me tooooooooo.
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Yep I'd buy it too. I love cookbooks and love your recipes.
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Me three. Love your recipes Jo. Chicken and Cashews with Coconut Satay Sauce and Coconut Rice is on my plan for next week!
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Yay! Hope you like it :)
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I'm definitely another buyer. Go for it Jo.
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Can I have one autographed and posted to me please? ;D ;D
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Count me as well Jo - been a bit slack with posting lately. Cheers - Robyn :) :)
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Me too Jo :)
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me to Jo, your blog is my bible :D
I swear I must give you the willies :P
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Me too Jo!!!! You are such an inspiration!!
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You guys are so funny!! :-* :-* :-*
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Thermomix/vorwerk might offer you a job!!
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Ha ha - already have a Thermomix job - don't think I can take on another one!! (Besides the fact that I live on the other side of the country!!!) But I do think Tenina has a pretty cool job, lucky her!!!
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I'll pre-order too. LOVE your recipes.
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Go for it Jo. I'll preorder mine now!!!
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The recipe forum doesn't seem to have taken off, does it? I visit occasionally to see if there's anything new, but not much is happening there. :-\
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I have to agree with you MJ and I find it so darn frustrating that for me, downloading anything takes forever - even on DH's newer computer. Another thing I don't like is when you get a message in your in-box it tells you nothing, you have to go over to RC to find out what someone has said. It is all download time and eats into your monthly allowance.
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I'm like you and Judy MJ. I go over and have a look every now and then.
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Lovely ladies my time is precious now that the school year has commenced, I need any spare moment to keep up with you wonder women and your TMX adventures, therefore you will all have to keep be informed if there is anything on the other forum.
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Enjoy the year ahead Robyn - must be hard to go back to work after such a nice break and being able to visit us more often. :-* :-*
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I'm with Robyn, not been back since it started so if there are any good recipes we don't have can you bring them over, please! Saw one the other day that someone mentioned and because it was on there I didn't go and check it out but wish I had (and now have no idea what it was, lol)
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Enjoy the year Robin. SChool doesn't start here until end of January .(for the teachers)
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Jo's gluten-free, dairy-free Choc-Hazelnut Brownies are delicious. My 10 year old doesn't realise they're 'healthy' food, because they taste so good .... if you know what I mean ! ;)
I'll buy a copy of your book Jo! If you got stuck in, you could add on an extra profit margin to raise funds for the flood victims :)
Miss G.
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a couple of gourmet looking gluten free muffins were the only recipes that interested me and not much going on in the forum so I rarely visit it. A bit more traffic on the facebook page but its mainly chat and nowhere to post recipes.
Much prefer this forum to be honest :)
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Thanks Miss G... by the time I got a book written, though, it'd all probably be over long ago! lol! Can't see anything happening in a hurry - can't keep up as it is! ;D
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I've trid having a look at RC every now and then and it takes ages to load. Is it my connection or are others finding that they have the same problems?
Can't say that it does anything for me. I don't think it's because it's new because I've been to other sites which are new and they take off. Something's missing there.
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Yes petit4s, I also have that problem and I'm pleased to learn someone else does too. We have 2 computers in this house, one is 2.5 years old and the other only 6 months and it is the same on either.
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Hi I find it takes ages to load too, and i have 2 new computers.
recipes are not as easy to find, so I am staying here forever.
Robyn
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If it's so slow without much traffic, i can't imagine what RC would be like if there were more action happening there.
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Grrrr. I tried to put a photo on RC today and because my photo was not on the computer I couldn't do it. I usually use photobucket for here and couldn't use it there.
Grump over.
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How come you couldn't use Photobucket JD? That's a bit odd... :-\
I've recently joined a very busy cooking forum bestrecipes (http://www.bestrecipes.com). I've used a lot of the recipes from the site without realising that it was a forum. The recipes come up in google.
There's a little bit about Thermomix, but no dedicated section, just some discussions. I'm pretty sure cookie1 is the same cookie1 here!! Is that right cookie?
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It's not me using Photobucket MJ, it's Cookie.
I joined bestrecipes in Oct 08 but once I found this forum, have forgotten to go back there :-)) :-)) I used to browse all sorts of recipe sites when our forum was quiet in the early days - these days it is rarely ever quiet.
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Yes that's me MJ. I like all the recipes on Bestrecipes but haven't been on the forum for ages and ages. I seem to spend all my time here or on Taste. I still look at BR if I'm looking for recipes though.
Not sure why I couldn't use Photobucket MJ. May need DD's help.
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Hi everyone. For those who haven't checked out the "official" recipe community for a while, things have evolved. There are now quite a few recipes on there, as consultants and customers are all encouraged to use the site. The search function is right there on the home page and if you click the RECIPES link, you can easily access your own recipes, your draft recipes, etc. I like to browse through CATEGORIES where you can access sections like mains, desserts, sauces. I also love the latest added and latest commented features on the home page.